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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">19.07.2019 18:35, Sebastian Harl пишет:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Again, I fully understand your frustration and agree with you that
things have not been going well which is why we're working on improving
them and fixing the policy and processes. </pre>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">"we're working" ... "improving"... I see all the results of "improvements"....</pre>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Based on your responses, I believe you're still very interested in the project </pre>
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<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
title="" class="">I just don't like to throw away the results
of my work.<br>
And I just use Collectd on my servers.</span></span></p>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">and it's goals and I hope that we can work together on finding an appropriate path forward.</pre>
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I don't know what are the goals and who really works on project.<br>
I see only several contributors, which permissions are same as mine
was. <br>
Me and these people unable to tune project direction, we can only
put new own PR or merge another's PR.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Do you think the proposal is going into the right direction? Did
Matthias's change fix the most immediate issue at hand around code
owners?</pre>
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<p>Your question <span class="tlid-translation translation"
lang="en"><span title="" class="">shows the real depth of the
analysis of the problem and depth of control over what is
happening.<br>
</span></span>I already answered in #3224: I can't check this.
Also, @rjablonx left his comment too, about additional actions
which are required.<br>
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However, again, I dont think this is "direction". This is "patch"
only, which tries to glue broken communication.</p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
title="" class=""><span class="tlid-translation translation"
lang="en"><span title="" class=""><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
title="" class="">Such a patch does not make a thing
brand new, and you will not go into a decent society
in it.</span></span></span></span></span></span><br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 05:19:56PM +0700, Pavel wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">19.07.2019 16:49, Sebastian Harl пишет:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi,
I understand the frustration here but I'd like to remind you that many
of us are working on collectd in their "spare time" and life can get
into the way of that. That's what this proposal is intended to address.
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I want to remind YOU that many of us working on Collectd in ours _spare
time_,
and Team SHOULD do all possible to facilitate the work of people.
But I see the opposite.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/collectd/collectd/issues/2958#issuecomment-464988065">https://github.com/collectd/collectd/issues/2958#issuecomment-464988065</a>
There is no changes in "policy" for 5 months.
There is no feedback.
Maintainer is ignored. Maintainer is unable to merge own changes.
If you ignore your maintainers, you will not found support from community
and project will dead.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">There is no plan to fork the project
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What would be strange to hear about fork plans from person with email in
@collectd.org domain.
>From person of Team who implement destroying changes.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">but to improve how it operates so
that it scales to the community of today. There may have been missteps
(like the codeowner change) but those were done with the best intentions
to address this exact issue and I'm confident that hurdles can be
resolved (and they may already be resolved in that specific case).
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There is russian proverb: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions",
originally english "Hell is full of good meaning and wishings".
Again: There is no changes in "policy" for 5 months.
Great improvement: forbid to _maintainer_ / active developer merge his
changes.
This is your thanks?
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">This proposal was not done in isolation. It's a collaboration between
the three involved people (from different parts of the community) and
with input from Florian as well. We would like to learn what the larger
community thinks about it, so if you have feedback, please let us know
on the document or via email if you prefer that. We have a plan for how
to implement it but first we need to find consensus on *what* to
actually implement. We cannot change the past but we can improve the
future.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">IF you implement one change per half-year.....
IF you (will) answer to feedbacks, received on changes, after half-year of
silence from your side.....
IF you merge pull requests after years of ignoring .....
I have no comments about "project" growth then.
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